Real Estate, Sex & Gossip
THE REAL ESTATE, SEX & GOSSIP PODCAST
W/ Paul Locatelli & Brian DeDiego
What do you get when two very successful realtors sit down and decide to talk openly about everything ? “The Real Estate, Sex & Gossip” podcast is what. Join Paul Locatelli and Brian DeDiego as the unleash a “no filter” conversation each episode where nothing is safe.
REAL ESTATE
Listen in for some dramatic real estate success stories and stay tuned for the balance; some vignettes of business and some personal failures that both have learned from. Real estate market updates & strategies abound each episode…
SEX
Paul was a Versace model in the 90’s …. Brian was buying houses. Brian has since made a cottage industry to find out what the hell was going on at these photo shoots with all those beautiful people and the podcast is his last attempt to force Paul to divulge all the dirty secrets that he is convinced are being hidden.
GOSSIP
Rule #1 : Speak the truth.
Rule #2 : EVERYTHING is on the table
Rule #3 : ApplyRule #1 before detonation.
Brian & Paul will dig into not only trending national gossip, but give time each episode to the local scene ( Including verifying/denying the rumor mill that includes their names )
Guests include national & local celebrities, leaders in business, athletes & entertainers.
Real Estate, Sex & Gossip
The Real Estate, Infrastructure & Matt Machado Episode !
Santa Cruz County's very own director of public works, Matt Machado, joins us for a candid conversation that peels back the layers on the scenic yet challenging landscape of local real estate and infrastructure. As Matt shares his transition from Stanislaus County to our breezy Santa Cruz shores, we get an insider's look at the policy shifts and government enhancements he's championing. Our chat navigates through the quirky traits of our community and zeros in on the nitty-gritty of fostering impactful changes in housing and transportation.
Strap yourself in for an eye-opening cruise along Santa Cruz's winding roads, where you'll learn about the delicate dance of county and city services amidst land use conundrums and financial quagmires. It's a rollercoaster ride through property tax puzzles, the need for septic system overhauls, and the harsh reality of natural disaster impacts, all narrated with Matt's refreshingly straightforward take. Plus, you won't want to miss our robust discussion on the latest efforts in construction and how even small victories can pave the way for a smoother future.
As we wrap up our journey, we don't shy away from the personal touch—sharing stories from the front lines of navigating the county permit process and how to stand your ground when it comes to public works and county inspectors. We highlight the collective push for streamlined governance and celebrate the small yet significant strides being made in public transit and permit processes. Dive into the heart of community dialogue, where we emphasize the power of connection and the transformation that can come from joining forces to create a more connected and well-managed Santa Cruz.
This is the Real Estate Sex and Gossip Podcast. Brian Fucking Raiders.
Speaker 3:So let's just go ahead and get started.
Speaker 1:I just want to take a quick second. We have an amazing guest, but before we jump into that, this time of year we don't get to say congratulations to Paulo Cotelli that much, and congratulations that the Raiders finally won a game last night. We're talking about time.
Speaker 4:Holy shit, was it like a hundred to seven?
Speaker 3:or something. They should have kept scoring. They should have went for the fucking record. They scored at zero points. Last week I was at a bar with all Raider guys and man, they were fucking so pissed off. I wish I was at that bar last night. It would have been fucking crazy.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to say I know we were texting, but congratulations yeah.
Speaker 2:What's that saying? The blind squirrel eventually gets a nut, that's the way it is right now.
Speaker 3:That's a big ass nut then.
Speaker 2:That's exactly the max amount of time that I think when we wrote our contract that we could talk about the Raiders, which was 17 seconds by contract. That's fucked up, waste of time.
Speaker 1:But you know, hey, happy holidays everybody. Real quick. Obviously this podcast is brought to you by Santa Cruz Spirits. Please go visit our local liquor stores. You save Leo's Village. Felton, ben, loman, lickers.
Speaker 3:Mission.
Speaker 1:Lickers Beach, lickers Summit Store, slantros, bittersweet. Bittersweet has an amazing bartender and mixologist there that's using the product, but we just wanted to say thanks again for that. And today we have Matt Machado. Who the fuck's that? Who the fuck's Matt Machado? So Matt will get into his official role of who he is, but I know he's a director and he'll correct me here of the Public Works for the County of Santa Cruz Since 2018, I know some background is very impressive. I know Accolades and so you know I'll start off with Matt and let him introduce himself about who you are, your interests, where'd you come from? Why Santa Cruz? Before we absolutely beat the shit out of you, I love that.
Speaker 4:Why do we have a?
Speaker 3:county guy here.
Speaker 4:I'm fine on you.
Speaker 3:I'm fine on you right now. All the unpermitted shit we got, oh my God Well, thank you, Brian I appreciate that.
Speaker 4:I'll provide a little more info about myself. I'm actually the director of community development infrastructure, and about two years ago we merged public works and planning together. So I am the Public Works director, I'm also the planning director, so you got a big target to beat me up on, which I know is that's a hot topic in this county.
Speaker 4:I came from Stanislaus County. I was there about a dozen years and before that I was in a small city out in the Central Valley for about 13 years, so I've been doing this a while. So next year will be my 30th year as a civil engineer and working for local government and I still love it, which is great.
Speaker 3:Why'd you come here?
Speaker 4:Well, you know what?
Speaker 3:I mean, how do you look outside?
Speaker 1:Yeah it's nice, it's straight gorgeous.
Speaker 4:I mean, the climate's amazing, the location's amazing, the people are great, they're chilled, they're laid back. I used to this is not an exaggeration, but in my prior jobs I wore tie every single day. I wear tie maybe once a month here. I mean, that's just the vibe I get here.
Speaker 3:People are because you guys don't do shit down there.
Speaker 4:Take a time to do shit.
Speaker 2:I don't know you need to fucking tie.
Speaker 4:Remember, that's what I'm saying is we do shit.
Speaker 3:Whatever we want to do.
Speaker 4:I read the sticker I got to say you know the other reason I came here, yeah because you all need help.
Speaker 3:Fuck, yeah, we do.
Speaker 4:You guys are way behind the times in so many areas, I mean fire some fuckers, you're hot. No, dude, I mean the people need to be trained, you know, the professions need to be stepping up to the place so we can get some good shit done here.
Speaker 1:It started with the guy right next to you, Locatelli and his family. You guys have been here since the 1800s and they just build shit.
Speaker 3:They still don't ask for permission. We don't fucking ask for nothing.
Speaker 2:Santa Cruz is a trip, though. Stay on that point. That was doing a little homework, I think it was. Is it Rippon, or Rippon, yeah, and then Stanislaus, and then here kind of doing that homework. The thing about Santa Cruz I was born and raised here and the trippy thing is is it has the outward appearance of being progressive and cutting edge on all things. It's not necessarily true when it comes to actually policy.
Speaker 4:You're right, it's not true. They, you know, if you look back the last 30 years kind of backwards in the way it has happened, you know I mean this. You know, acting like you're progressive but stopping all things good, like no change, no, no advancement of housing, transportation, I mean, for me this is like low hanging fruit. Let's get over here and let's start fixing stuff, let's start moving it right.
Speaker 4:Because but the other thing is not just because low hanging fruit, but I mean I could see the policy was changing the board of soups. They want to see change, they want to see more housing, for you know the community.
Speaker 4:They want to see improved transportation, they want to see the good things of life. I'm like, oh hell, I want to be part of that. That's what, that's what brought me here. And so I mean I gotta say, and the beauty, you know, on the beach, great climate. I gotta say the people are amazing. People are so welcoming here and they're, they're nice. I mean there's some kooks, but every community has that. There are no difference here than anywhere else in the entire world. So take it with a grain of salt.
Speaker 2:He looked at it's audio right now on podcast, but he looked right at Paul when he said kooks.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:I want the honest. Deep, very honest.
Speaker 4:You know what's funny is that in Stanislaus County we had a local telly family also, and they were kind of the same. You guys probably related they're big farmers.
Speaker 3:You guys get farmers in the center valley. I haven't heard of those guys at all yet.
Speaker 4:They actually were. You call yourself a rule breaker. They're a rule breakers too. They're building, like you know, like fruit stands, but they sell like commercial products and they just flip their.
Speaker 3:They just like a little bigger to the community. Well, because let's go back a little bit, because my grandfather was supervisor of San Cruz County for, like shit, 26 years and they had a fight one time. And they're like arguing over when they're building downtown. They're like we got to remove this oak tree. It was a hundred years old and everybody's fighting over it, fighting over it. So they had lunch. There's a bulldozer there. My grandfather goes out fuck, I start some bulldozer up, pushes the fucking oak tree over, went back into council, said it's all done. They're like what do you mean? It's done, Tree's gone, oh man, so that's a little shit. And he was supervisors here in the county doing this shit. So there's what you got to deal with. You know back then where everybody went up to the ranch where he was at, where everybody came up there who wanted to get shit done. Yeah, they go to the ranch, you talk about it, and then it gets done.
Speaker 4:So well, you know what I got to tell you. I think we all want to get stuff done, and I think that's that's a good thing.
Speaker 4:And I got to tell you I think local government, county government, is here to help you get it done. Now we actually have we're changing cultures, right? I mean, when we merge the two departments together, the culture now is how do we get to, yes, how do we help people get what they want? I mean, and if the rules are broken, let's fix the rules. And so our attitude is get shit done to. You know, in fact it's kind of funny, there's a small group of us, you know GSD, get shit done. That's kind of our motto, like, yeah, get it done.
Speaker 3:Marty Stiller is who?
Speaker 4:Marty Stiller Heaney. Yeah no, he retired.
Speaker 3:Did he retire last year? Yeah, I love that guy, he got shit done. He got shit done. You know what I mean. But that's, that's our attitude, and that's our.
Speaker 4:we're trying to get to that culture for everybody. Not that we're going to break the rules, not that we're going to damage anything. But let's figure out a way to get people what they need, what they want, and if we got to change a few rules, then change it.
Speaker 3:Make it easier. That's the thing I think. If you made it easier for people to walk in there and say, hey, I want to do a remodel. Well, here, you got to do this, this and this, like, oh well, I'm changing the rules, that's a problem. Well, brian, with his development, he pitched and complained the whole entire time. I heard for fucking five years.
Speaker 1:So let's just go ahead and take the shots of Brian right now.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. Yeah, he thinks he's a, he's a.
Speaker 2:I think we should get that in.
Speaker 4:That's the low hanging fruit. We got people who got a train to know how to do stuff, you know. Yeah, no names, brian, but Diego want to be Panamanian.
Speaker 3:10% doesn't mean shit.
Speaker 1:So backing up the development and just real quick. You know, Matt, I'm going to quote something and I maybe I don't want to say quote what you said to me, but it's actually something that gave me a lot more respect for the county. But before we go there, I just I'm curious who dictates in rules what when it comes to cities going and in counties? Because, honestly, I'm not educated. I know I can go down the city, capital city of Scott's Valley. How do you guys participate or do you not participate in that? They, they, they make the decisions, not you guys, because you have county regulations within cities. So well.
Speaker 4:so who's in charge? It depends on the service you're talking about. The county does provide services in the cities but then, like land use, we don't have control over land use. We don't have control over building permits, things like that. That's a city function within the city limits. But we, you know, the county provides social services. They provide, you know, jails, things like that, to the cities and then in some cases we actually provide, like some utilities, like we're the utility provider for Capitolo, provided sewer. So we do provide some services. But but roads and land use is all within the city's function and we don't, I mean we collaborate. You know we'll partner on roads because roads don't know boundaries. So we'll collaborate, a partner, but in general we stay out of their stuff, they stay out of our stuff.
Speaker 3:No, I'll back up on that one because I'm selling. We were selling a lot in Scott's Valley where we got approved Actually, they got approved for doing a septic which they put in back in 97. Never got signed off, yeah Well, then we got assigned off by the city. Well, the county says no, motherfuckers, you cannot build there because it's not an anchor. So so yeah let's talk now how easy this is.
Speaker 4:So there's the rub so septic, and actually the city has gravity sewer system, so you really should connect to their sewer system but spot, we can't, but you can't right, right. So then so then what happens is septic's actually fall under the county work, which are actually governed by the state. So the county, over this is over decades, kind of didn't do their job.
Speaker 1:They're like oh, you're right, Didn't you wait? What didn't you lose your right? We did yes.
Speaker 4:We let people you know do that shit and they polluted the hell of the creeks and the rivers and it's shocking but we have the largest population, the largest density of septic systems in the state, up in the San Lorenzo Valley area. Oh, we know and and what's bad is back in the 80s or 80s or 90s.
Speaker 3:They had an opportunity to build a sewer system. Wish they didn't do. No, because it was been a nickel. Okay, fine, then do your septic.
Speaker 4:But then the state can and said you guys can't manage yourselves. And it was true, we were putting the shit out of everything. The state took over said now you follow my rules.
Speaker 3:So why is it one acre when the next one neighbor has one?
Speaker 4:Well, because, because the one acre is this new standard now that's been around a while. Well, okay, it's been around for a while, but if you have something has been there for 40 years yep and it's under an acre. You're just kind of like a non-conforming Existing condition ran for them. But as soon as you want to make a change and you have to upgrade to new standards yeah, maybe the new standard 20 years old, but they're still new to you, right?
Speaker 2:And those are just band-aid pulls right. Eventually you have to make a decision going forward that Can create a conflict with a neighbor. It's two different circumstances living next to each other. Is that basically what we're talking about? Where for septic?
Speaker 3:No, no, septic is. It's strict there. It's one acre, even though you have ten houses on freaking. Yeah, one lot. Oh, I got you. Okay, I heard.
Speaker 1:Matt say Look at those, didn't fuck this all up a while.
Speaker 2:It's okay, man, I'm talking.
Speaker 3:Hey. I can't say that, but I can we put all the septics in the fuck. Call you guys.
Speaker 1:I'm not good shit goes downhill.
Speaker 3:Why do you think we're up in San Lorenzo?
Speaker 4:I gotta tell you if you go up to like Boulder Creek.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean, that's the septic's up there, or a horrible if you go through downtown. There's businesses there that take their dishes home to wash them at night because they don't have any septic in their business.
Speaker 3:My grandfather built that place.
Speaker 4:Oh my god, great grandfather, there, if you go into town, coming in to town, on the left hand side under that building is the old. They call it a like a septic lagoon.
Speaker 1:There's like a.
Speaker 4:I mean it's crazy, and it doesn't work.
Speaker 1:And then the but the People on the left side. They don't work.
Speaker 4:The people on the right side their septics work because they're on the river.
Speaker 3:Yep, I guess why they work? Because they're right off the back.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they go around the back. You go there like, is this really happening?
Speaker 1:And so this is back to to Brian's original comment like dude.
Speaker 4:We think we're progressive, smart people but we're screwing stuff up. Yeah, exactly, exactly and nobody wants to change. We actually made a proposal recently to say look, let's go sewer everything, let's build a plant and let's sewer it. People like, yeah, no, I'm happy, I'm good, just the way it is.
Speaker 2:And so what's your? What would be your? You sound confident that change is coming, but eventually History shows that, like those, progressive ideas and kind of clarity of thought runs into the muck At some point within city, county, state.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, change is coming, but change is slow. Yeah, you know, and like especially the bigger the government, the slower it moves. Now it's going to change. It has to. There's no other way around it. It has to. And you look at like, you know, like some of the fire rebuilt right.
Speaker 4:I mean that was horrible yeah well, went through pure hell, but now they're in a better situation. They've got better infrastructure for themselves. Some people had to put quite a bit of money in their septic, some people didn't, which is fine. But as as we go forward, we're making improvements. Just like paul's situation, he's gonna have to do something different or fix it or something go backwards a little bit.
Speaker 2:Give exhibit a for people that are Not sure what hell would look like. One example of what the hell would have looked like for somebody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, this is the fire a lot of people because we blow right by it.
Speaker 2:But there's 80% people who have no idea what that meant, like what well, what, what hell?
Speaker 4:meant individually yeah, so get this so you know. Forest fire comes out of lighting strikes and within a day it's engulfed 900 homes. Right, we know that part right.
Speaker 2:Yeah and so people are without a home.
Speaker 4:Yep, and yet they live on the side of the mountain. That's an active landslide. Maybe their septic, you know, is messed up and they come to the county I want to rebuild, like, okay, well, you got to do some engineering, you got to get your septic approved. And they're like, well, I, I didn't ask for this. Or like nobody asked for this. This is a problem. We're in year three. Right now is the third year anniversary.
Speaker 3:I actually brought those stats with me because I figured this would come up. Oh yeah, fuck yeah, we've actually first, so let's go. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:About half of the well, okay, let me put it this way about out of the 900, it was actually 700 parcels that got burned okay, but there's some parcels had multiple houses. Those 700, Tellies 200, 200 parcels are been sold.
Speaker 4:They got sold, so they're not fire victims anymore, which you know, that's sad for the people that had to sell and maybe it's good for the people that bought. I don't know. But so that's 500 Fire victims that need to rebuild. I think we're at about 400, it'd be. They're rebuilt or have permits to rebuild and there's, I think there's like a hundred, maybe even a little more than that, that we've got no contact with. We don't know what they're doing, but most people I can tell you they rebuild without.
Speaker 3:I, because the problem is none of them have insurance they did. Their insurance was was they had little or none at all, or let's just be real what they were underinsured, like most people, yeah everybody's under yeah, everybody's unsure. And now you can't even build because of COVID. What happened with COVID? Yeah, it's a perfect storm. The fire is all of it. Everything else, fucking wood went from two dollars of twenty dollars.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's true. No, it's all true and then you know, and this is not a county issue, it's a state issue, the building codes have gotten more strict. Yeah, not by the county's choice now, not that the county went choose it, because it's the same thing to do, but I mean this the standards today said by the state pretty tough, pretty tough.
Speaker 2:So it costs, adds cost, but you know what you want the house to stand too.
Speaker 4:I mean, it's your biggest investment of life. You want it to be done right.
Speaker 3:But they sometimes are. They're overdoing when they make it like airtight, how do you breathe? I mean, that's the part where you talk to builders and those like fuck, this thing is too airtight, I can't breathe. Yeah, they put you know you know what, though?
Speaker 4:I'm doing? A house for them all right now, and it was an old permit. I got a permit. You know, crazy I.
Speaker 3:Want to see it. Who's your builder?
Speaker 2:Was that? Was that easy for you to get?
Speaker 4:It took me. It took me one year, but not because of the county was. The architects were busy, everybody was swamped and they just took them a year to get the plans and I got the permit pretty quickly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, wonder why no.
Speaker 4:The old house was drafty and just so any that piece of shit it would shake doesn't need to be in the podcast.
Speaker 1:Who's told me that piece of shit now?
Speaker 3:I know Fucking did, diego did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can see the fuck out of him. Bring it on and get.
Speaker 2:I was.
Speaker 1:Brog is trying to find you know what you're right now. I will buy that house back for what you paid.
Speaker 3:We put up the middle finger to Brian.
Speaker 4:Okay, this is how crazy people are. I'm gonna talk about people for a second, because there's all kinds here and I gotta say we have the most colorful, interesting people in the world here.
Speaker 2:So here this is a teardown project.
Speaker 4:I mean, clearly I got a permit and I live in a very small urban area and I hate people coming by and thinking I didn't get a permit and they were raising hell on next door. They're like you didn't get a permit. I'm like do you really think I would build this kind of a product without Nobody? Does I get Paul?
Speaker 1:So you know, here's my respect thing right before we get into get into what we've already been getting. No, but I this Matt opened my eyes to this and you guys might be enlightened to or not, but so I'm reading right now, folks, I just so. Matt, we've talked a lot over the years and one thing that will always stick with me You're not your mouth Besides that, but Matt or Panamanian is political, not necessarily in terms of Matt Plastering his face all over town like Mono right now, but Matt's job super political.
Speaker 1:We've all we. We've seen him on TV. Okay, what he's doing right there. It's a very political thing in terms of funds, matt, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you told me or I'm making us up but our funds come from taxes, yet the police and fire and this is where I remember take from our taxes too, and you're constantly. This is what I didn't know.
Speaker 1:You're gonna fucking fight with them and Matt let me said how often do you fucking drive on our roads and then how often do you call the police and fire?
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I know that I think this is a no. No, I don't know that he fight they.
Speaker 3:I thought, you know they are our funds. What do you think the money comes from?
Speaker 1:No, I know where the money comes from. I would think.
Speaker 3:Because I'm telling you right, the city of Santa's Scotts Valley had to sue the county for tax money, but but listen to my point.
Speaker 1:My point is we all drive on a fucking road correct when that's that.
Speaker 3:That way we have the worst lot of people we I love fire, I respect fire and police, we know that.
Speaker 1:okay, we support them. But my point, my point is, is why is that money not let's be nice not equally divided?
Speaker 4:well, okay, and I know this is don't don't pit me against the public safety guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not trying to pit you, but what I'm trying to say is make the public aware, matt, because the public, the public, and this is my point, okay, and this has nothing. I'm gonna keep that out of this conversation. I'm looking at you, look that's fine.
Speaker 3:The public.
Speaker 1:The public is fucking pissed off about our roads, yep, a lot of them that are still not built and, let's be real, because there's no money there. Oh yeah, and the reality is, I'm like well fucking build it, I pay a lot of money I pay twenty thousand dollars a fucking year in property taxes in my road just got fixed, Thank God.
Speaker 4:I'm portal bolts but it's fucked up. Matt was coming up to my house and I said I hope you don't fucking drive off the road, motherfucker.
Speaker 1:But my point is I didn't realize how much Budget, how much budget goes into public works versus how much goes. Sorry, that's my phone always going going into fire, yeah and we need all them. Don't fucking get me wrong. I'm not trying to pigeon point anyone seems like you are.
Speaker 3:I was shocked, Honestly you just shot, you just shocked at how much fire gets. Please get all that shit. No, you know what we should talk about. You know it's most of it.
Speaker 4:It's the state.
Speaker 3:So let's talk about okay so you said how much you paying taxes.
Speaker 4:We all pay a ton in property tax, a ton not me.
Speaker 2:Well, not you, but here, let me tell what happens. Give us some real numbers real numbers.
Speaker 4:Of the property tax that we all pay, only 13% stays here. The rest of it goes to the state of California, and that was because in 1978 the voters voted for prop 13 to freeze property tax. But it also did nothing. It put all the control in the state's hand. The state took over education and they took over property tax and they redistributed by a formula and at the time, in 1978, this county was very conservative. They didn't spend much money, so they got locked into a low percentage, 13%. At the same time you had San Francisco. They were spending like crazy. They got locked in at almost 70%. So and then our neighbors Santa Clara, san Mateo they get about 35%. Most of the state gets like 20, 30, 40 percent. We get 13 where the 7th poorest county and all of California.
Speaker 1:There's out of 58.
Speaker 4:This just shocks me.
Speaker 2:How does, how does this again? For me, this whole, it always comes down to basically dissemination of information transparency, because it takes away you remember our sex gossip and Not big words.
Speaker 2:Exactly. We're not, we're not Mike Howard here, but it does. It does stun me that that that information isn't More press released, isn't more advocated by. I don't understand, because it seems like it's all nerding out behind closed doors, there's a animosity and no one wants to sit down and talk about it like we are right now. Because I think it would. I think it would take away a little bit of the edge if everybody knew the boat we were in.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, and you know what we do talk about it. It just it's hard to get it out there because people are just like they kind of turn off their brain when they start here in numbers and stuff. They just blank out. We give this presentation the border soups. I actually had a presentation yesterday to the Aptos Chamber luncheon and I said the same stuff because people are like I Pay a lot in taxes like oh hey, listen to this to like really holy shit, you know they didn't know, I didn't know.
Speaker 1:That's. That's. That was the point. I wasn't trying to start a fight, even though we like a good fight. I was trying to make people aware that hey this is my one thing, because I get mad at the county just like everyone else but I'm like well, shit, they're working on a much smaller budget, and then what I'm complaining about is a small fraction of the budget that you're trying to work with.
Speaker 4:Well, another thing, that the other piece of the funding that's kind of interesting is the gas tax. So gas tax is actually how roads are funded and the state and the state right, actually even beyond the state, but let's just talk about the state. But what happens is the way that formula works for the state is they collect all the gas tax and they redistribute based upon road miles and the number of registered vehicles, and so we're kind of in the middle of that pack. But what's interesting is because of our tourism, our road mileage, our vehicle miles traveled is through the roof because we have all these people from outside driving our roads, buying gas, but we don't get that money back either.
Speaker 4:Because we only get it based upon the number of miles of roads we have and the number of registered vehicles in our county. And yet over half of our traffic is from outside people coming into business and via tourist, which is cool nothing wrong with that? But you're getting the damage, but you're not getting the money.
Speaker 2:You know I like visuals when I think about like the city that way and it makes me think of the business that I'm in, which is HOA management. And the analogy to Prop 13 would be like your HOA dues and you say, controlling 80% of your HOA budget and your property would reflect the large dues that you're paying. You'd come home and it would be tight and the landscaping and the pools clean and everything's the way it should be. But what if you took an HOA budget and said you only have 13% of that to make this all your property?
Speaker 1:would look like shit.
Speaker 2:It would look like shit and so, and for me it's a tangible thing to think about.
Speaker 3:Fucking clean it yourself. You ladies Fuck.
Speaker 2:Fucking. I scrubbed my pool and that's why I cut my own lawn and that's why I got a few of my buddies going out there filling potholes in town, because they're you know, it does get to that point.
Speaker 3:I got a dump truck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got you, I'll fill the pothole up. Yeah, it's a which is done, but it is a situation.
Speaker 4:It is and you know it's reflected in what we have like the quality. You know, look around us, right, and if you look at like the state again, at the state road can do, let's talk about roads some more. Our condition here it's a worse. It's back, it's a 48. We have a straight F. The state average is like a 66. And that number's continuing to rise because in 2017, a new gas tax came in which it helped everybody except for us, and I'm going to talk about why it didn't help us but it helped everybody else, so the whole state average is going up If you look across the state.
Speaker 4:The roads aren't bad except for you get to Santa Cruz County.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:We got.
Speaker 4:We got by far some of the worst roads in the entire state of California.
Speaker 3:And let me tell you why.
Speaker 4:Not because of the property tax. There's another reason we're poor. There's one more reason Disasters. We have more disasters in this county than any other county in California, probably almost in the nation, and the last six years we've had seven declared federal disasters. It's breaking the bank. We send all of our resources up in these disaster areas the mountains. All of our money goes up there In 2023, we had $140 million of storm damage on our county roads Dude, we have and just this year I mean in this year we fixed half of those problems, but we sent $75 million. Guess how much money we had in the bank.
Speaker 2:Zero Zero.
Speaker 4:We had f-ing zero money in the bank. We spent $75 million. We're in debt.
Speaker 2:You want a free one, Cause I know you're this is what you do for a living, but I'll give you a free one that'll change the world. How about concrete?
Speaker 4:Concrete roads, yeah, can you afford it? We can't even afford some chip, but is it, is it?
Speaker 2:is it an answer?
Speaker 4:It's not. It's an answer for roads, but you know, the number one problem with roads is drainage. Hmm, drainage is the promise. The asphalt isn't the best, but it's not the problem. So why?
Speaker 1:don't we put those fucking impervious papers? Out you're making us all do. Well, there you go.
Speaker 2:This scene also reminds me my business because I sometimes feel like in the HOA business, the people get on the board to solve their own Fucking problem. They have no interest in the property and I think you're on this podcast to solve these guys.
Speaker 1:I want people because Matt's enlightening me, right. Right, I go on with my own agenda, right, everybody does. When you go in the county, you're you're fucking pissed, usually about something and I Love what you're saying and you know everybody like now I'm pissed. The fucking county, there's these roads, they suck, but there's so much fucking construction. I'm like why are these fucking doing it at night? Why do they do it during school hours in the morning? If that fucking drives me and everybody crazy because little kids are on bikes, all the shit's going on. But am I really to complain? I'm not happy with the roads, but they're actually doing shit. I mean, there's that's true, our county is unfucking believable.
Speaker 2:How much construction but let's do good stuff, but let's pivot to something that I'm sure you'll you'll know about from a layman standpoint roads are. I understand roads aren't Fields, but I look at the technology advances in, like turf science, like and you see a football game on a Sunday and they get eight inches of rain and it's dry as a bone. Because is there technology coming for roads?
Speaker 4:We can. You know what? There is no problem, no lack of technology, no lack of ingenuity, no lack of any of that. But we can't afford to fix it. Yeah, see where the money's coming we we actually.
Speaker 3:Let me just talk about the culverts biggest problem.
Speaker 4:We have culverts, those pipes on the road, number one problem by far. It's not the road service, that's really that it's a problem. But when the road fails is because the culvert failed and took out a 50-foot stretch of road. That's what happens. And those culverts we have six thousand of them in the county and About a third of them need to be replaced today at a cost of four hundred million dollars. Oh, remember how much I told you we had in the bank account today zero, zero.
Speaker 4:And we have a four hundred million dollar problem. And that's why, when you have big rains and, by the way, we get 60 inches of rain up in the mountains Nobody else in California gets 60 inches of rain anywhere. It's insane amount of water.
Speaker 1:What about the toll booth on highway 17 in Watsonville, like you see in Florida, where they come through and they got a payout? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:I like it. I'd like to be an investor in that.
Speaker 1:I think it's so killed drive.
Speaker 4:That's the toll booth. So killed drive. That would be massive, that'd be massive.
Speaker 1:So how it's like how do you raise money and I don't know if you're sick like me and think about weird things at night, but like how do you raise money? Okay, yet Not trying to piss people off like, oh, we're gonna raise your property. I mean, how do you know it? I'll tell you now I can't advocate that.
Speaker 4:I can educate so my education today is that we, as voters all get a shot at this in March because on the ballot is gonna be a new, very small sales tax measure that's gonna go towards roads and parks. You know some of that stuff which is great we need that but a big chunk is gonna go to roads.
Speaker 3:So we get a say in March now. Is that you're actually gonna get that money?
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's written in and I gotta tell you with it, the road condition and the disasters have broke this county. Yep, they're breaking the county right now. I mean literally breaking it. We actually have to take a like a probably a 60 million dollar bond out in February to keep the lights on. So to keep the lights on, to make payroll so a hundred percent of those funds.
Speaker 1:So what? Not a hundred percent, but a good chunk of work in 13%. Oh yeah, yeah, well, 100% stays here.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but a good chunk of the little roads, not all which know which.
Speaker 1:Okay, this is wrong something. Yeah, I want to say, and I don't like higher taxes, but this is something I can get behind.
Speaker 4:Measures what measures? I don't know the number of the letter yet.
Speaker 1:It'll come out soon because I, as people, are listening to this.
Speaker 4:It's a sales tax and there's a sales tax but accounting the city is gonna put on their own but city.
Speaker 1:Santa Cruz, this is a county county one county one people are gonna talk to people after they do this right, because everyone's getting Educated. And I am certain I know you are right now listening to this right because you know numbers thrown at us. So if we can do something about supporting that, that's something. I don't mind spending a little money knowing it's gonna stay here.
Speaker 3:Yes, that is a good thing, that's exactly it.
Speaker 1:You know, what I'm looking at right now is I'm like shit. I pay. You know, like everybody else, we pay a lot of money in property taxes. $2,600 of my bill comes to this county. Yeah, that's that's. That's not great, that's not great. And and that's an education process right there, how else can we get more money? What about making and maybe you're on track to this Making the permit process for people? Half this county's done without permits, which you probably are aware of. How do we, yeah, how do we simplify that?
Speaker 3:to tell people like us as clients yeah, what do we do?
Speaker 1:that we disclose it and say Africa County, let's just disclose it, let's move on and we get a lot of sales done. And I know you're probably prepared because you know who you're walking, walking into Fucking knucklehead realtors.
Speaker 2:Holy shit, the graph's around.
Speaker 1:So my point and I'm gonna, I'm gonna two phases for you, matt, and let you take over. How do we walk into the county and easily attain an over-the-counter type fucking permit?
Speaker 1:Yeah but, more importantly, when we walk in, how do we get one answer from one person? So everyone behind that counters educated, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you start, but I want to lead it with this. I went into the county last week, didn't call you, fucking, win in myself, went over there and awesome, the lady was awesome, no names. She's like you need a permit. And I said actually I don't, I already had an existing gate, already had existing electrical and everything. I was so proud. She went to the supervisor good dude. He came over and looked at my system and said no, it was already included when they built the house. We can see the pictures that he's shown us. He doesn't need it.
Speaker 1:That was the first love of time in my 28 years of going to the county. I knew I got a different. She really did not answer it. She just said you need a permit, which I appreciate giving me money, and he came in said Absolutely not, they did. So that was the first time I actually I was. That's a compliment to you. I know I'll take it. I'll take it was stuff.
Speaker 3:This. This goes back to the changing and of culture.
Speaker 4:We're trying to get people what they want as quick as they want it, and we're trying to get people to a yes, and I'll tell you the ways we're doing it. So we did a general plan update last year and it included a code modernization and what what it's doing is we want people. If you want to build high density, we want to let you. If you want to use, you know, this zoning to do some housing, we want to let you. We modified it to give you more flexibility to do what you want, which is hopefully housing, because we all need that. So we try to help that.
Speaker 4:And then also in the code modernization, we took out some of the craziness that was built in over the last 40 years when they're trying to stop growth. So it's a small tweak here and there, but we were trying to streamline that process. The other thing that's important is that the professionals are a community that come in for permit. They have to do their part to, so so often I see a plan check. It's on its seventh round. I'm like what the hell?
Speaker 4:Well, he they brought in a piece of shit right and it took seven rounds to get it clean. It's like, okay, well, that's a problem, you're spending all of our time on garbage and then you get somebody that's responsible to come in one plan check. You got to permit.
Speaker 1:But I'm gonna show you a graph too because I want to talk about that for all you people. I've been a part of both of those, and it's expensive because it's a county's time, so do it right at the end, right and here's the problem with with, you know, the one thing that's a little bit out of our control.
Speaker 4:We're trying to streamline the process, we're trying to get to, yes, all those attitude, things are in place, but here's the rub. So I got, I brought some numbers today. In early 2000 we had 111 staff and planning doing that work. Okay, during the great recession we lost. We got down to as low as 59 staff. We lost almost half of the staff. You know which made sense great recession. You know everything taint.
Speaker 4:Yeah right, we get that okay, building permits back in the in the early 2000s we were processing about 4,000 permits a year, which that's cool, that's good during the great recession we're down to about 2500.
Speaker 4:Wow, understandable, but okay, past the great recession the permit started growing. We started growing big time. In fact, today, this year and last year we were up over 5500 permits. Hmm, okay, 5500 permits, back in early 2000, 4,000. But today our total stock count is 77. Those actually pretty new we were. We've been running about 70 people for the last 10 years, with more work being done 5500 permits with 30% less staff. That's exactly the number.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's crazy Wow now that's the problem we're having today. We've cleaned up the code, we've cleaned with the process. Our attitudes are spot-on right. We got good people. We just don't have enough of them. We're down 30% staff doing 30% more work.
Speaker 3:Hmm, is that crazy.
Speaker 2:It is crazy.
Speaker 3:But that goes back to the underfunding side of it.
Speaker 4:That's the property tax problem, because now, this is crazy. You think you pay a lot of permits. You don't even pay for the full cost of that permit, you don't what? Yeah, kind of pisses you off, doesn't it?
Speaker 1:Okay, so I just paid a hundred and seventy two thousand dollars in permits for four houses. Well, walk me through it.
Speaker 4:Okay, it's scattered. Some of it goes to impact fees, some of it goes to, you know, fire, you know all the different agencies. But the piece of it that goes to pay the staff to do the plan check and to do all the processing, it doesn't completely cover their cost. And it's because we have a complicated County. We've got horrible geology, we've got earthquakes, we've got tsunamis, we've got crazy shit Yep.
Speaker 4:And so it takes a lot of review and the fees that we charge don't don't always, but sometimes they do if it's a simple project that covers, but sometimes it doesn't, most time it doesn't. So that's why it's hard to hire more staff, because our fees don't cover all the cost.
Speaker 2:Is there anything that's archaic in the process? I mean, is it fully automated to your comfort level, right, so let me? Let's talk about that.
Speaker 4:We're not quite there yet, that we're doing a website update right now. It should be up in a couple months and it's gonna be a new tool that we all get to use. You can see all the details of what you're trying to get your permit, I can see it. We can talk from the same piece of paper and we're gonna start developing a better process.
Speaker 2:That's rad, so it doesn't have to rely on somebody's Experience. It's a gatekeeper to the bullshit.
Speaker 4:It's exactly like I don't want to rely on one Front-counter person's memory from the process last week. I want to rely on a process as well, established on the website. Everybody can see. It's transparent, you know where to go, you know how to get there, simple.
Speaker 2:It's not even close to it but it makes me think about we're going down Monday to do our again a crazy leap at our TSA pre.
Speaker 2:I've done an appointment in San Jose for our pre-check for flying, but the thing about that is like I can't get the appointment till I take care of my shit, and so I had to plug in my shit to get a physical appointment at 2 pm. It seems like that would be a lot the same way, which is I don't even want to see you with your bullshit down here Right till you check the boxes, and then we're 85% home, which would also help because for some of that, well, make the other people do the work.
Speaker 4:I don't want to totally geek out on you guys here, but I gotta tell you the other tool that's gonna help. This may be over, paul said.
Speaker 1:Whatever you guys are doing, he's not gonna.
Speaker 2:So close to it. It said this way this will be over Paul's head, it's the answer.
Speaker 4:Right, that's kind of crazy, but it's not, it's not we're actually gonna upload our entire code into AI so that you, as a customer, can go on to the computer and ask your question and get a legit answer, an accurate answer, because AI is so damn smart. It's unbelievable Feed it everything in the code and everything under the Sun hundred percent it will get you an answer, that fact hundred percent. It'll. It'll tell Brian, you don't need to permit, because we've got your account all figured out. We know you better than you know yourself.
Speaker 3:That I understand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got AI every single time, every single time every single time Paul's tried anything with AI, it's only spit back. There's nothing I can do with you. Hey, I like the writing part of it. Ai is like I'm smart, but not that fucking smart.
Speaker 1:It just seemed like the locatel. He started our fucking county and ruined it.
Speaker 3:We fucking did it right. Fuck you guys. We get shit done.
Speaker 1:So, matt, what are my questions to? And I know?
Speaker 3:wait, wait. He said you want to be fucking Developers here. Right, brian? He thinks he built four houses. Great, is it the architect? Is the guy who's actually thinks he's the general contractor who fucks everything up when you walk in? Well, seven times.
Speaker 1:I do a plan that says it's us Well, I can walk in. I heard what he was saying.
Speaker 4:It's the it's the guy that manages all those people, because you got to know how to manage him, how to schedule and win and where and when you know you got to get it all so is that the general contractor?
Speaker 3:No?
Speaker 4:no, no, it's the owner oh.
Speaker 3:Or the owner's rep, but he's also the general contractor.
Speaker 1:So yes, I just don't not saying it's like fill it out, check the right boxes and it doesn't have to keep going through.
Speaker 3:Plan check after well, I know that because when I did my pool, my guy was from out of town and he didn't do fucking shit, so I had to do it all so now I have a follow-up question.
Speaker 1:So on a Project and I'm not gonna say which one we had plans County inspector came out and said hey, yeah, I see the plans, but I want a railing here. And I looked at the guy and I said I want a railing also, but it was not. It wasn't enough to this. Down was downstairs and I said but this is how it was drawn up, this is how it was approved from the county and you have to sign this off. And he said, personally, I'm not gonna sign it off till you put a railing what?
Speaker 4:and I swear to God and.
Speaker 1:I went, but you're going outside your scope because that's the problem, right my question to you is right.
Speaker 4:So here's my question to you.
Speaker 1:We've got great employees at the county and, matt, you're changing a lot, which is great. And then we've got some people maybe that have been there a little too long and think what they feel that power, yeah. So what does the public do when we run across that situation when we, a lot of people, don't want to piss off right County employees, especially the inspectors?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but when they're out of line.
Speaker 1:Let's just be real. They're totally out of line what they're doing, yeah well, what do you recommend?
Speaker 4:we do? You got to raise the red flag. You got to go to that person's supervisor and if you still don't get, you got to keep, you got to go up. You got to raise the red flag because the only way we know that problem is happening is if you tell us, you got to tell us.
Speaker 2:It's just like medical is a you got a, you got a. There's there part of people Don't do enough that with their own health or with this process. Is is advocate for themselves, and they don't do enough of that. They have angst. They'll bitch to people at dinner. Yeah, they'll say it on the podcast, like you, two little bitches. The thing they need to do is actually just pick up and just handle it themselves.
Speaker 4:You know what?
Speaker 2:the number one solution to almost every problem and this is in your personal life and your business life or in your, you know, in County life communication.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's exactly it, we got suited because of that. Communication, lack of communication. There you go, I'm looking across the way, my little buddy.
Speaker 1:I agree, yeah, and you know, for me it's like did you go complain though? I actually did didn't get solved. It got solved sweet, and my point to people is this it's like if the county's gonna set up the AI Eventually everything's gonna be there yeah we could actually Start creating revenue and making it simplistic most people.
Speaker 1:I know do not have a problem walking in, fucking paying for permit, right, it's the bullshit that goes fucking with it, right? And so if what I'm hearing folks and you're listening, it's like go get the permit, check your boxes correctly, walk in and this process is gonna be simpler than what we've all locals have been dealing with for a very long time, absolutely got new heads in right, so you got the big kahuna sitting right here saying look, we're trying to simplify this for you guys.
Speaker 1:You know a lot of people are gonna call us out and say bullshit on stuff because of past experiences that they've had. Right and, like I said, I can say mine have not been great, but I can say they've definitely gotten better because I'm not gonna lie They've gotten better.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know we do need to partner up like that, because did you guys see the housing element that got approved Just just the other day? No recently Okay which you mean it, but it's a housing element, and so what that means is it's establishing a goal for us to build some more houses. Now it's all in the urban area. We don't want to put more houses up in the mountains.
Speaker 3:That's how right but down in the urban area.
Speaker 4:Why not?
Speaker 3:I got 400 acres. I could fucking throw a lot. How many septic tanks do you want? One big one but.
Speaker 4:But the housing element now has to get approved by the state still, but it will. We are proposing to build almost 6,000 homes over the next eight years.
Speaker 2:Are you connected? Totally different podcast, but I have a partnership that we just established for the spring with Metro. Michael treat Metro we like and we are absolutely in the same conversations. They're taking out space in there to promote their housing, sort of like.
Speaker 4:Yeah and so there's a killer stuff. No, we fully support them. We want to unreal, unreal, and so that was some of my part.
Speaker 2:We don't have time today, because we're deep in with them, to be a spokesperson for Metro, sort of advanced within the magazine, but it good people over there.
Speaker 4:You know what? You know where the the it really happens is. So they've got this bus system.
Speaker 1:They're gonna go to 15 minute headways on exactly or is like so called drive.
Speaker 4:Which then means that we can increase density even more exactly right state funding and more federal funding and build more housing Because we got better transit. It's pretty incredible.
Speaker 2:It's not gonna be like a residential hub south midtown, and then what's happening downtown already. That creates sort of a you know, really a dynamic. And get this, they just got a grant.
Speaker 4:So they're gonna be Free fares for the next three years at least. Now you think well why is it free?
Speaker 2:Well, you know what?
Speaker 4:everything we, you know, we pay taxes and it goes to transit and that's okay. When it goes free, the kids get there right for free, and when both doors open, you just get on the bus and you go. I mean that's a winner.
Speaker 2:That's exactly it.
Speaker 1:That's a winner. My oldest daughter is actually using that. Yeah, friends, yes, you know, and I told him Fuck, pay for this. Thank you, yeah, and I'm gonna be in the car.
Speaker 4:If the bus, if it ever comes every 15 minutes, do this easy, I just walk up, maybe ride my bike up, jump on the bus, go to work, boom easy.
Speaker 1:No, it's, it's actually a huge thing. I know the kids at Santa Cruz High. They're all taking advantage of it. Yep, parents love it. Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's a huge cause, well it's just, we're still backwards here.
Speaker 3:I mean living in Europe and East Coast and all that, it's all trans. You don't have a car, you fucking use the bus, use the train, yeah, you know. But here everybody wants a car and drive Period. Now they got to. You know, if you get something like that, then that's huge.
Speaker 2:Well, that's they're talking about, like signal priority. They're talking about all that. I know that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I've been down, so kill drive lately. We're under construction and we're upgrading 21 signals to see the bus coming and give a little more green or just give a little more oh yeah and get them hauling through there. We're gonna do that on capital road and a bunch of other great roads.
Speaker 1:That's great down I mean that's what we're teamed up with Metro sinking everything. I mean I know the county. Every once in a while it falls off, or the lights you're like, oh it's getting better, though we're we're upgrading we you're right, that's been a problem. I mean, it seems like traffic would flow better.
Speaker 4:So right now they just started digging a trench and it's from. It's from La Fonda, which is a city limit on. So no drive all the way down to State Park. Yeah, we're gonna connect everything with a fiber optic and then take that fiber optic to downtown and connect with the city and the county Loving. And now we've got a brand new fiber optic, fiber optic backbone.
Speaker 2:That's gonna manage our signals and everybody can tie into it. For other things, we're putting a lot of extra capacity.
Speaker 4:Oh it's like do yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, instantaneous. How do you like real quick? I know how do you like the Progression of highway one right now with the whitening of it's great. I mean, we've been part of that. You know we're partners on that stuff we love and the new bridges handiclear.
Speaker 4:Yep.
Speaker 1:Do you see the ramp going? Yeah, I'm stoked.
Speaker 4:So the next projects under construction. If you've noticed it down at Bate Porter, they starting to clear some of the vegetation off the side. That's the next phase, which will build a new pedestrian crossing at Mar Vista make a huge difference.
Speaker 2:How killer is that it's? It's what it's all about.
Speaker 4:You take the pet crossing over the hill and you catch the bus and you're downtown and 20 minutes.
Speaker 2:With buses running every 15.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and and you got bus priority on the whole corner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4:They're driving faster in the cars, yep.
Speaker 2:Hell. Yes, it's the same reason I told Michael, and our last means. The same reason in the shit show we've got a lot of family and in Denver is that we get off the airplane and we go on a tunnel and we get on RTD and we take the light rail to Union Station because it is remarkably faster than any other option.
Speaker 2:Yeah more relaxing. It's more relaxing. It's got Wi-Fi, it's got everything that you need and it's a it's a tight way to get downtown and saves you 40 minutes. That's what you have to do, is you have to start saving people?
Speaker 4:time. Well, you know, I was gonna save this time when we get that trail built totally, I totally agree segment 89. I don't know if you know this, but the city, the county, partnered on segment 89, which is boardwalk to 17. Okay, that's gonna go to construction in 2025.
Speaker 2:That's every city I've lived in. Yeah, I was born and raised here, but every city that has a meaningful intention has that sort of greenway, green with right, right cord, or through the middle of all of it. Every single meaningful Exactly.
Speaker 4:And then from 17th to state park is segments 1011. The county's designing that now and probably by 26, 27 will build that one, and so then you can go from. You can go from the west side of Santa Cruz Actually they're starting to go next year construction on segment five, which is Davenport down to wilder. Amazing, so you will be able to ride your bicycle from Davenport all the way to state park in Aptos On a dedicated trail?
Speaker 2:When's my section? When are they getting to new? I live at park avenue, new bright, and when's that happening?
Speaker 4:Well that's it so so we're gonna go to state parks, we're gonna go past you right on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, I got a boogie, we got to get that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, real quick, real quick, just on, and this has been amazing. Oh man, matt, what is your? It goes fast with that quick. So what it?
Speaker 3:was that bad? Real quick though.
Speaker 1:You know, we went from wanting to whoop your ass now Maybe want to support you, which was. You know you have the floor before we listen to an amazing, amazing song you don't know, I'm playing that Panamanian.
Speaker 3:We're not listening to fucking Panamanian shit.
Speaker 1:But real quick. What if give us a 30 second of your vision because you're changing this county? What, what, what is it in?
Speaker 4:your world. I'm gonna end on communication. You need to hear from us and we need to hear from you.
Speaker 3:There we go we need to talk more.
Speaker 4:You need to get on our social media, I need to get on your social media and we need to talk and communicate. Solution to everything. So let's just leave it at that.
Speaker 1:Here's a cell phone, just kidding, yeah.
Speaker 4:Thanks you guys. I appreciate it hey thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 3:Are you fucking kidding me? This is the worst fucking song I heard in my life.
Speaker 2:I want to explain to Brian, to our guests, he doesn't know what it is.
Speaker 1:So listen, I walked in the bank the other day and the lady told me I was not a real panamanian, because fucking Paul said that to her and I'm like he's not a real dango, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 3:I'm ending this explicit content. Thank you, matt. Thank you Matt.